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Gepost: 05 mei 2022 01:38 PM

ik ben op zoek naar de kleurencodes van de bedrading linker achterlicht van de e-C4
de connector is 6 pins en heeft 5 draden
t.w. wit, geel/groen, rood, paars en grijs

weet iemand waar deze draden voor bestemd zijn?

De lampunit heeft 4 lampen: Remlicht, Parkeerlicht, Richtingaanwijzer en Achteruitrijlicht

bij voorbaat dank

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Gepost: 05 mei 2022 01:56 PM
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Henri:

Als je dit wilt weten om een extra stopcontact aan te sluiten, bijvoorbeeld voor een trekhaak of fietsendrager of extra 12 volt steker:
Mijn advies: Niet doen, want je e-C4 is “gemultiplexed” en de stuurunit heeft “elektronische schakelaars”, d.w.z. geen ouderwetse relais. Daar wil je niks aan veranderen, want als je de “can-bus” verstoord krijg je allerhande rare electronische storingen en als je de uitgangs vermogenstransistor van de stuurcomputer kapot maakt dan ben je ettelijke honderden euro’s kwijt voor een reparatie.

Als je dus een trekhaak o.i.d. wilt aansluiten: Koop de officiële kabelboom die daarvoor is of een exacte kopie van een bekende treklakenfabrikant. Dat werkt het beste.

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Gepost: 05 mei 2022 05:01 PM
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Ik sluit me aan bij de opmerking geen bekabeling van de achterlichten gebruiken voor verlichting aanhanger/fietsendrager e.d.

Onderstaande gekopieerd van de c4owners.org website.
Daar valt veel info vandaan te halen, enkel registreren en je kunt bij de info.

What is a CAN bus and how does fitting a tow bar to a C4 affect things?

CAN stands for Control Area Network. It is a form of multiplexed wiring designed by Bosch and allows the linking of a number of control systems together, normally in a vehicle, so that they can share information. In the past it would have been necessary to have at least one wire for every signal on a vehicle making wiring looms bulky and expensive. CAN bus multiplexing allows a large number of signals to be transferred digitally using only a pair of twisted wires.

Sharing of information on a CAN bus also reduces the number of sensors that are needed. For example the engine controller has its own sensor to monitor coolant temperature. Using CAN it can share the temperature reading so that the information is available to any other systems on the car that are interested. One such system might be the instrument cluster, which would use the information to drive its temperature gauge.

CAN bus has been used in road cars for over 10 years. Starting at first with the high-end prestige vehicles, it is now commonplace in virtually all European cars and is becoming more popular in the US and Japan.

While CAN bus is a very efficient way of connecting control units in a vehicle, it does present a problem to anyone fitting aftermarket equipment to a vehicle. This is because signals such as vehicle speed or RPM that used to be sent on separate wires can no longer be ‘tapped’ into directly.

C4 Can Bussed SystemThe idea behind CAN is simple.

Instead of connecting everything to a central control unit through a main wiring harness, each component in the network has its own processing and communication capabilities, with one data channel connecting all units.

In automotive CAN applications, the instrument panel, power windows, body accessories and even many sensors and actuators all have their own individual mini-control unit. All the units, called ‘nodes’, communicate with each other through a single pair of wires. These are twisted together to ensure minimum interference and is known as the ‘data bus’.

All the data on the bus is addressed to a specific node or group of nodes by function, not location. The relevant nodes respond to a particular pre-programmed protocol. For example, the vehicle speed sensor will put its data on the bus, and every other control unit that needs vehicle speed information will receive it directly without having to go to the PCM (Pulse Code Modulator ) for a VSS ( Vehicle Speed Sensor ) signal.

Because there are multiple nodes sharing a single bus, every date package includes a priority code. This will ensure, for instance, that if the ABS control unit and the lighting unit both send a message to the PCM, the critical ABS system message gets to go first.

CAN technology will significantly reduce the number of connector pins and wires in the vehicle. With extra ‘blank’ connectors built into the network loop, or with a splice kit for adding connectors, nodes can be added on the production line (or even aftermarket) without running a new wiring harness. However, designers have built in more than one network on the vehicle, linked by ‘gateways’ where appropriate.

The mission-critical nodes will be linked on a high-speed Class C network that can operate in virtual real-time. Less critical items, such as the instrument panel, lighting systems will use a slower Class B network, and ‘occasionally used’ body accessories, such as power windows are likely to use a Class A network.

*Activated driver assistance systems inform the driver about all relevant data being transferred around the vehicle - the corresponding display is then activated either in the instrument display or on a centre panel display. Computers for engine and transmission control or for lighting system management monitor the vehicle using the data transmitted via the CAN bus.

The systems no longer operate in isolation alongside one another, but can now quickly react to the information from one another. The CAN bus is an optimal solution for managing all vehicle electrical and electronic functions.

As a result, effective fault monitoring and diagnosis of the systems are integrated into the CAN bus, defects can be localized more quickly and even temporarily compensated for by corresponding secondary systems. For example, a faulty tail light function can be temporarily replaced by a brake light bulb. The driver would instantly be informed of the failure in order to address the problem.

*Activated driver assistance system is hugely relevant for the towing customer.

Particular features such as TSP ( Trailer stability program) now being introduced and currently installed in nearly ALL new VAG vehicles, BMW X series and the newly produced GM vehicles.

The alarming thing about these systems, are that they are a incredibly easy feature to install and activate when towing. With a change to the existing ESP, ( Electronic Stability Program) the vehicle is able to correct a ‘snake’ in a trailer or caravan. These systems are dormant in the software of the vehicle and brought into operation when the car detects a trailer connected.

How does the vehicle know a trailer is connected?

This happens in a number of ways but the most common method is a signal generated by the towing module, which is recognised by the central computer. The signal is sent when a tow plug is inserted into the socket. Trailer Detection can also activate other features associated with towing.

For systems such as TSP to operate it is essential to have a towbar wiring kit installation which communicates directly on the CAN bus.

These WILL NOT function if a by-pass wiring system is installed.

Trailer Detection.

This is simply an element of a CAN protocol which is activated usually by the car acknowledging a trailer is connected. This is not done by any mechanical means, but by simply inserting the trailer plug into the towing socket. The car realises it has a trailer connected and now stimulates certain operating systems to wake up. These systems include:

Trailer Stability Programs

A change to the parameters of the vehicle’s Electronic Stability System - the car detects the ‘Snaking’ of a Trailer and by activating the ESP sensors in the vehicle, It brings the caravan back under control.

C2 Function

The C2 function of the trailer is activated, usually by a Double frequency flash rate of the car indicators, should a trailer indicator fault be detected.

Fog lamp cut-off

The rear fog lamp on the car is switched off when towing if a fog lamp is fitted to the trailer.

PDC Cut-off

If the vehicle is equipped with parking sensors these will be automatically turned off when a trailer is connected.

The important features of these operations is that they DO NOT function if the car is fitted with by-pass technology used in towing electrics. They will only work when they detect a towing module which is sending and receiving signals through the CAN bus system.

Grtz,

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Gepost: 05 mei 2022 05:23 PM
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Citroensmgz schreef:

Henri:

.........

Als je dus een trekhaak o.i.d. wilt aansluiten: Koop de officiële kabelboom die daarvoor is of een exacte kopie van een bekende treklakenfabrikant. Dat werkt het beste.

Bij die kabelboom hoort een “kastje”. Daarmee wordt uit de CAN-Bus de nodige informatie gehaald/geëmuleerd en omgezet in signalen/spanningen zoals remlicht, achterlicht, richtingaanwijzers.
Alleen op die wijze kan een trekhaak stekker van spanning voorzien worden.

Normaliter is er eea voorbereid in de auto, je hoeft dan alleen een al aanwezige stekker op het kastje aan te sluiten, en uiteraard ook de kabelstekker voor de trekhaak.

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Gepost: 17 mei 2022 01:07 PM
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allen bedankt voor de input

het ging niet om een trekhaak

doel was om een achteruitrijcamera aan te sluiten

ik heb de juiste draad gevonden van het lampje en via een relais de camera aangestuurd

alles werkt naar behoren

de kleuren zijn als volgt toebedeeld:

Linker Richting Aanwijzerlicht = wit
Linker Achterlicht = Paars
Remlicht = grijs
Achteruitrijlicht = Rood

Het genoemde forum uit UK heeft geen info omtrent de GEN-3 van de C4

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