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Nou, ik wordt er een beetje gek van. Dynamo vervangen, geen enkele verandering, maar 1 extra erbij: storing voeding componenten oid, maar de gasklepsensor doet t nu niet meer en de auto gaat in noodloop.
Ik heb even de stekkers en zekeringen uit de bsm gehaald, die waren aan 1 kant wat geoxideerd(zekeringen), maar verder niets bijzonders. Nu ff geen tijd, maar of de dynamo werkelijk kaduuk was…
Niet werkende gasklepsensor : meestal is de boosdoener het gaspedaal. Met Lexia funktietest = 0 - 100% uitvoeren en de spanningen van klem 1 en 2 meten.
Kan Lexia geen spanningen meten dan zelf doorvoeren als volgt waarbij ik de meest voorkomende waarden neem.
Gaspedaal in ruststand
Klem 1 en massa : tussen 0,3 - 0.6 Volt
Klem 2 en massa : tussen 0,15 - 0,3 Volt = 50% van 1 = controlefunktie
Gaspedaal geheel ingetrapt
Klem 1 en massa : 3,5 - 4.0 Volt
Klem 2 en massa : 1,75 - 2.0 Volt. = 50% van klem 2 = controlefunktie
Bezetting als volgt :
Klem 1 is uitgangsspanning 1
Klem 2 is uitgangsspanning 2
Klem 3 is voeding 5 Volt
Klem 4 is massa.
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@Klever33: Even over de lambdasondes. ALs ik meet zie ik de 1e continu van arm naar rijk springen met bijbehorende voltage. De 2e, na de kat, blijft veel constanter.
Stel dat er 1 kapot is. Welke zou dat zijn en hoe te meten
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Jaaps schreef:ALs ik meet zie ik de 1e continu van arm naar rijk springen met bijbehorende voltage. De 2e, na de kat, blijft veel constanter.
Welke spanningsvariaties meet je op de 1e en de 2de sonde?
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Lexia zegt 780 volt. Ik vermoed dat dat 0.7 of 7 is. De 1e sensor varieert dan naar 200. Maar sterk schommelend
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De 1ste sonde varieert dus tussen zeg maar 0,2 en 0,8 Volt.
Dat is volgens mij gewoon normaal gedrag, zie ook het verhaal van Hella over de werking van lambdasondes.
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Je kunt het met lexia/diagbox ook laten zien als spanning uitgezet tegen de tijd.
Dan kunnen we er veel meer over zeggen als je het voor allebei de sondes doet.
ex 2cv 15pk, 11BL 1938, dspecial 1973, ds pallas 23 IE bvh 1973, gs, austin princess 2300, cx 2400 break, bx 19 d, cx 2500 trd, xm 2.0 16v, mgb, mgc, Suzuki vitara, ds 21 ie pallas 1971, saxo 1.1i, sm 2.7 ie, xantia 2.0 16v, C5 3.0V6 exclusive, C4 1.6HDI, C4 1.6 16v.
Vooraf dit : ik heb nooit met Lexia gewerkt en ken de mogelijkheden niet van het diagnose apparaat.
Dan kom ik terug op foto 4 en mijn conclusie. Ik ben er vanuit gegaan dat daar de gemiddelde spanningswaarde te zien is.
Afgaand op jouw reactie is dat niet zo dwz een moment opname. Dan is mijn conclusie verkeerd. Desondanks blijft het vreemd dat beide lambdasonden dezelfde waarden afgeven. Vandaar mijn twijfel.
De regelsonde ( zit in ingang van de katalysator ) pendelt steeds tussen 200 mVolt tot 900 mVolt en is een normaal gedrag. Is al gememoreerd. Is deze sonde echt stuk, dan brandt het motormanagement lampje en de motor is in noodloop.
Komt niet veel voor. Het is veel eer dat de amplitude te laag is, de aanspreektijd te langzaam geworden is en de frequentie te lang. Dit kun je enkel zien met een scope , waarbij in het scherm de gemeten situatie getoond wordt met de situatie die het zijn moet. Of Lexia die mogelijk heeft weet ik niet.
Bij een analoge spanningsweergave weergave is bijna niet vast te stellen of het pendelen wel of niet snel genoeg gaat.
Monitorsonde ( zit achter de katalysator ) :
Als de katalysator in orde is dwz voldoende zuurstof kan opnemen om HC en Co om te zetten in CO2 en H20 dan pendelt deze sonde tussen 600mVolt en 800m Volt. Is dit verschil groter bv 500 mVolt tot 800 mVolt , dan betekent dat, dat de katalysator slechter werkt = hogere CO uitstoot.
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klever33 schreef:Het is veel meer dat de amplitude te laag is, de aanspreektijd te langzaam geworden is en de frequentie te lang.
Omdat de sonde op is, zie ook het verhaal van Hella, een kleinere amplitude en lagere frequentie zijn tekenen van ouderdom.
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Maar kan een minder goed functionerende lambda sonde deze storing geven?
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Ja. Daarbij, lambdasondes zijn gewoon slijtageonderdelen. Na verloop van tijd, laten we zeggen ergens richting de 160-200k km zijn ze gewoon op.
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Nog steeds maar 75000 op de teller.
Ik ga eerst op vakantie, over 4 weken verder
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- Overig Mercedes CLA 250 shooting brake
Heeft dat invloed? Er zit geen ethanol in.
ex 2cv 15pk, 11BL 1938, dspecial 1973, ds pallas 23 IE bvh 1973, gs, austin princess 2300, cx 2400 break, bx 19 d, cx 2500 trd, xm 2.0 16v, mgb, mgc, Suzuki vitara, ds 21 ie pallas 1971, saxo 1.1i, sm 2.7 ie, xantia 2.0 16v, C5 3.0V6 exclusive, C4 1.6HDI, C4 1.6 16v.
Als het de originele lambda sonde nog is wel ja. Metingen wijzen uit dat ie niet in orde is, dus vervangen.
Ex: 1996 ZX NP-JZ-34, 2005 C4 Coupe 05-RN-HN
Franse auto’s gaan niet stuk, die staken gewoon